The Getai, Makedon and Seleukia

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ok, i'm buying Prah's Black Sea fleet, its mainly transports and only 1 warship for now, but it gives me a bit more flexibility and means the black sea is now my sphere of influence. He want 250 gold for the 11 transports and 1 warship, which i think is a bit much, what do you reckon dudes?

Well the cost price for that fleet is 190. He's being a tad greedy.

Has pleasy already made the transaction with you for the navy mate? If not, it'd be great if at some point there was an option to buy back atleast a portion, especially if our job is going to be warring with the romans and such in the future

I'd be happy to sell these ships back after my troops are back on Asian soil, after all I only need them to bring troops from Asia to Greece, and then back to Asia Minor. And, since my coffers are significantly larger than yours I'd be happy to sell them back at 2nd hand prices, say 750 gold instead of 1,100 gold.

12,000 would be perfect , and good idea about the scouting, prah isn't so wise as he makes out and his campaigning in this game has really shown him up to be honest, wouldn't surprise me at all if what you say is right mate

Well, I'd rather bring 20,000 over, as although you guys think I have endless amounts of troops and cash, I'm not willing to send over 12,000 that could easily get beaten by Koinon Hellon's army of 25,000. I realise the idea is that we join our forces together, but as we all know things don't always go to plan. My plan was that I can start moving 8,000 next turn with the fleet I purchased from Makedon, then the following turn Pleasy's fleet can turn up and pick up the other 12,000. Do we know much about Nikomedia, Byzantion or Mytilene? These places could all be helpful or a hinderance in attacking Asia Minor from the west. I also wanted to know how far Pergamon and Ponto's kingdoms stretched. It's going to be hard to stay covert if Pontos and Pergamon have already taken all the independent cities in Asia Minor.


With the Egyptian plan, I'm hoping to use a confederation of Bostra/Dumatha and The Saby'n to take them out for me. I only need one thing to happen in order to do this, for Ptolemy to attack the city of Petra. Anyway that you guys could convince Prah that taking Petra would be a good idea would be most helpful. If I don't have to worry about fighting on my southern border then it frees up a lot more troops to crush Pontos, and from my intelligence a combined Arabian force (Saby'n,Bostra/Dumatha) would have significant enough numbers to crush egypt completely. It could also open up a way of destroying Egypt's main army, since an all out invasion of Egypt would bring Ptolemy's army rushing back across the med sea, my newly built fleet could engage and destroy Egypts army whilst at sea. If that was achieved Ptolemy would have to sue for peace, and Pontos/Pergamon would stand no chance against this Triple Alliance alone.
This plan could come into action in 2 turns, all I need is for Gruanash to move his forces so that they're closer to Egypt, and like I said for Prah/Koo to attack Petra, if he doesn't it will be very hard to get Bostra and Dumatha on board, and they will be needed as they bring an extra 8,000 troops to the campaign combined.



Good ol Theo he's just misunderstood by the world

I'm ok with 20K I must admit. Arakano keeps on telling me how stupendously good the KH soldiers are. I doubt that, but with Arakano favouring them they might have the power of mechanized infantry. so 20K gets a yes from me. I suspect they won't be present for long anyway.

With Petra we could urge Prah to get active with Independants while peace reigns. Petra was almost certainly Egyptian in the time of the pharoahs, so he has a good excuse to attack it and enjoy the income. If we wrap up that area amongst several others such as say Kyrene (look south of Crete) and Ammonion (look south west of Alexandria) he might well go for the lot. It is easy money, relatively speaking. Emphasis could be placed on Petra though.

How does this sound?

Well so long as Thermo's heppy then 20k is what I'll be sending over. Although, I'm kind of confused how tranpsorts work, how do I get my 8,000 troops aboard the navy????

That sounds great to me pleasy, I imagine that he would be wanting to increase his territory and income anyway if he's planning to fight against me again, and Petra as well as ammonion are viable targets. I've got the Saby'n on board whatever happens, I've simply promised them that whatever they conquer they can keep, and believe me Gruanash has actually built up a sizeable empire in Arabia, it effectively covers all of Arabia, except for Dumatha and Bostra. I'm fairly confident he can attack Egypt with at least 20,000 in 2 turns time, although his skill on the battlefield is yet to be proven, since up till now he's just been fighting rebels and Independants.

With the 20,000 troops heading for Greece, I'm only planning for them to be there for several turns. Hopefully if I discover that Nikomedia or Mytilene is still only independant then i'll attack and take thier lands, which will effectively open up a second front for me with Pontos. And, with Makedon going for Pergamon in 3 or 4 turns it should mean that we effectively have Pontos surrounded by around turn 12. That is of course dependant on how quickly you guys defeat Epeiros and how quickly we deal with koinon Hellon and Pergamon.

I'll give Prah the idea to keep him busy.

On ships, ove them adjacent to your land units. Then click on your navy selecting Manage. Once you do that click Manage Cargo. You'll get options to Load your units. Once you load as many as you want or can select Main Map. Then you can move them as normal. Once you reach your destination repeat the process but this time there will be an option for Unload Units.

Shout if you get stuck.

Great news on the Sabyn by the way!

hey, if pleasy is happy with 20,000 then so am i good move down in arabia jack, i chat to prah quite a bit, i'll see if i can get him to talk about what he wants to do with ptolemy. hopefully he'll mention petra and it'll give me a chance to encourage him its a good idea

Byzantion is independent, but good defences (lv3) and a large army for an independent. Nikomedia is independentish... Prah attacked it early with a massive army but got smashed everywhere, the city has good defences for a lv2. They are kind of vassals of pergamon now after the asked for protection against pontos. Mytilene is Pergamon territorylv2 . Halikarnassos is independent and lv 2, but not that 'hard'

Shit I forgot to post about Petra. Prah said he's going to go for it. I forgot with all this shit going down with ships. He's also going to go for Kyrene and Ammonion.

That is, he certainly liked the idea prior to this ship business. But even with his suspicions I can't see why he'd think moving on independants bad advice. I hope!

Bollocks just made a post and deleted it by accident. Basically said all goes well in my bid to make Gruanash and the Arabian independents attack Egypt, so long as they attack Petra.

Got this message:

[quote author=Prahphecee link=action=profile;u=31 date=1220710181]
Hey, I see you have a fleet now. Well done. May I ask where it is headed? If it is headed west to help Pleasy you have my word that no Seleucid ships will be touched. I want to keep the peace, as you know.

Thoughts?
[/quote]

Basically replied by saying Makedon needed help, but made it more clear i was acting on a message for help sent to me by Delphi, kinda makes sense as I'm the strongest of Alexander's successors.

Well Prah seems happy for me to go and help in Greece, which is understandable since it means less troops for the Saka, Ptolemoi and Pontos to fight in Asia. He said he tried being peacemaker between his two allies, KH and Makedon, which I assume amounted to: "why fight each other when you could come and help me fight Seleukia".

Also got more information from my new arabian ally:

King Yadail Bayin IV, Greetings.
I commend you on your wars in the south. Though we do not recieve much information on them my sources tell me that you are doing well and that you are the eminent power in the south.
Carthage has pledged to take back the city of Side and I acting on behalf of Ptolemty will give him the city of Cyprus as a base to use as a staging area for Carthaginian troops. The armies of Ptolemy, Pontos, Galatia, and (hopefully) Pergamon will participate in the attack as well.

Your help in attacking Seleucia would be greatly helpful and profitable to you. You could move your armies through the desert and I am confident you can catch Seleucia completely unawares.
If you were to take Dumantha as a base, you could have supply to attack the very heartland of Seleucia, Babylon itself.
Respectfully,
King Mithridates of Pontos and regent of Ptolemy and Saka

He also tells me that now he has a port city he could feasibly transport 30,000 strong army by sea to hit right into Egypt's heartland, the only annoying thing about this great piece of news is that it will take him over 2 years to get this army all to his port city and then to Egypt. I'm trying to convince him an attack by land by easier. Then again his idea would really catch Prah by surprise.

This is very good news indeed regarding the Arabians.

I think you're wise saying you go to back up Delphi rather than me directly. I suspect he thinks we might be in league. not much we can do about that now anyway. Now you need only await to see if he smashes your fleet whilst en-route to Greece.

Yer, apparently they'll be safe, but there's no trust between us. He'll really be in shit though if he tries attacking my troops aboard your navy.

...it would, afterall, lead to a direct declaration of war from Makedonia and all her allies

okay, for the Greek campaign, i can free up a force of approximately 13,000 (depending on casualties from the Epirote campaign). Roughly 10,000 infantry and 3,000 cavalry. Looking at the force, I could probably use some heavy infantry/cavalry support, but apart from that, it is well rounded and capable of a good distraction (though wouldn't be great against his main force it has to be said!) Like I said, maybe an insertion onto the Peloponnese to rendezvous with Seleukia, simultaneously attacking Corinth and Sparta with reasonable force and blocking off the Peloponnese with another while Makedons forces pour into the passes and head for KH main force and Athens....

what do you think? what's the composition of your seleukia force jack?